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Post by noname on Jan 30, 2011 14:13:24 GMT
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Post by noname on Jan 31, 2011 15:40:27 GMT
Rap about sikhs in france- millions of sikhs fought in ww2- and the french PM at the time praised sikhs for wearing the turban and being brave warrior soldiers. yet today the french PM wants to ban sikhs from wearing the turban in schools, attacking the identity of the sikh religion. www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5lYIFSNNU4 |
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Post by veer on Jan 31, 2011 17:27:19 GMT
Some of these music are actually Hip-Hop but i can only support these initiatives. Not just because it's good to see Sikhs taking part of contemporary music but also because it can be another way to educate people about Sikhs. Unfortunately Hollywood and Bollywood music and film industries do not seem to intend representing Sikhs or not in the right way so it is very important that Sikhs find their own ways to express themselves.
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Post by quantumdesi on Feb 2, 2011 0:22:40 GMT
I think contemporary music and art is a great way for people to express themselves, but don't you think there's a risk that you might ghetto-ize Sikh youth? Sort of Sikh-rap for Sikhs.... if you're rapping about Sikh issues, will it appeal to the community at large? I guess you could inject Sikh issues covertly into a track... ...on the French issue, its a little more complicated than the French changing their mind between WW2 and now  Its racism cloaked in this concept of separation of church and state - something the French are quite passionate about. Its not that they liked Sikhs back in WW2 and now they don't - the French of the generation that understoof the Sikh contribution and respected them is dying/has died out. There is a whole new generation who sees us as alien over there.... ....which goes to my next question - look at France specifically, where urban music is seen as belonging to the banlieutards - the immigrant workers basically. Would Sikh rap help raise the issue or help the other side understand our side any better? I don't have an opinion as to whether rap helps to bring ppl together or whether its divisive.... I do think though that its a more and more popular way for people to express themselves.... |
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Post by veer on Feb 2, 2011 14:55:46 GMT
I don't think Sikhs doing rap or hip-hop can be labelled as negative or positive. First of all these guys have every right to embrace their creatitvity the way they want. On the other hand it all depends what they are talking about and how they do it while rapping. I think rap itself as a style can not ghetto-ize anything. There are many Sikhs living in ghettos in the West but that has nothing to do with art. It is purely a socio-economical issue sometimes with a hint of xenophobia and cultural misunderstandings.
As long as rap/hip-hop is just one of those numberless ways of Sikhs expressing themselves there is no problem. You can educate different groups of people with different styles so rap/hip-hop is only one way of the many. It only shows Sikhs are no different from any other religious group or etnhicity where freedom of personal choice is celebrated by letting you choose your own way to communicate with the public.
And let's not forget rap is music first of all so even without any political or ideological impact on society it can still entertain people which is already an achivement.
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Post by noname on Feb 2, 2011 15:11:30 GMT
Sikhs have been in contemporary music for a long time- unfortunaltey - snoop dog who did a rap in singh is king- could have helped america realise who the sikhs are, by saying sikhs are not miuslims in any interview. an opportunity missed, snoop dog here- www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9_7ElMpil8the problem is sikhs keep forgetting the impact of sikhs in modern history, and may suffer from a inferior complex. the sikhs religion is a modern religion which does not believe in rituals or superstitions. |
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Post by quantumdesi on Feb 6, 2011 11:49:45 GMT
...how about the argument that musical styles are associated, or perhaps entrenched, with certain communities and/or culture.... e.g. hard rock is associated with skinheads/punks, rap hip/hop is associated with black/latino culture.... ....and more to the point, Sikhs are associated with bhangra.... ....wouldn't bhangra be the 'appropriate' vehicle to convey the messages you want? Needless to say, I totally get the cross-cultural appeal rap and hip/hop (and maybe even pop ) might have... |
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Post by noname on Feb 14, 2011 15:59:35 GMT
The lead singer of Queen Was Freddy Murcury- born Farrokh Bulsara - he is a gujrati Indian. Bhangra is an ancient tradition of indian cultures. Litterally meaning - Bhang- (to be intoxicated) and Ra - (to dance). Bhangra dancing is closley based on hindu and sikh martial arts knows as shaster vidya and gatka. It also represents the destructive dance performed by the godess shiva. The majority of the bhangra singers are sikhs, Their lyrics are not in line with the sikh religion, and promote alcohol, casteism, ego. with in the last 10 years many of these singers have been involved in producing songs for the sikh cause- these are known as dhadi hip hop- Albums released every visaki on nagar kirtans across the country and world wide.- they have been very sucessful in getting the youth involved in learning baout their religion. www.shaheedi.com/www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzyrhvTjvNwA religious sikh would normally listen to Dhadi Jatha. Bhangra has existed in india for longer than the sikh religion itself. Sikhs are not limited to what medium of music they use. The sikh religion is not oppressive, but does ask sikhs to get a full understanding of things before we jump into doing something. this is the process of making sikh "Gian" - or knowledgable. one example of this could be Udham singh- shooting general o'dwyer at Caxton hall- 5 minutes away from st james park tube station in london. he had changed his name to mohammed ram singh- mohammed to represent the muslims- ram for the hindus and singh for the sikhs who died in jallan walla bhag the police could not understand why he would change his name en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Udham_singh |
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Post by quantumdesi on Feb 26, 2011 1:13:10 GMT
I agree with you re bhangra and bhangra artists..... .....I would argue that a 'religious Sikh' would listen to Kirtan Also, me thinks someones been drinking some Nidhaar Singh koolaid with your bhangra and shastar vidya link How about classical music instead of rap, or rock? |
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Its racism cloaked in this concept of separation of church and state - something the French are quite passionate about. Its not that they liked Sikhs back in WW2 and now they don't - the French of the generation that understoof the Sikh contribution and respected them is dying/has died out. There is a whole new generation who sees us as alien over there....